sam 27/01/20 2:37 pm our to 36 sites generate 80% of our daily
visitors
sam 27/01/20 2:37 pm 1.3 mil / 1.6 mil = 81%
bryant 27/01/20 2:40 pm OK so;
Lumps of cash (cut way the hell down) -or-
Shorter contract based on cpmU with modern
cash scale -or-
Site back
Yes?
bryant 27/01/20 2:41 pm With the focus obviously being on the sites
making the most and/or those in the top 36.
sam 27/01/20 2:41 pm yes.. although we dont want to give the site
back if we can help it.. we just threaten it
for ex., at a few times, avfind said,.. ok ill
just take my site back.
of course response was.. 'okay so you dont
want any cash then right'
then he said.. oh wait.. well hm
sam 27/01/20 2:41 pm do u hae most of the contracts
bryant 27/01/20 2:41 pm Almost all, yeah.
bryant 27/01/20 2:42 pm Those I don't Kevin will FAX me as I need them
sam 27/01/20 2:42 pm we dont want to give any of the 1 year
contracts one back either
bryant 27/01/20 2:42 pm Of course. Too close to owning outright.
sam 27/01/20 2:42 pm how are you guys holding up? pretty good? jan
31 payment is on time.. feb 15 is uncertain
right now.. (negotiating w/ about.com right
now) ..and webmasters would have to be first
then
bryant 27/01/20 2:44 pm Holding up fine at present. How long of a
delay do you anticipate (if any) on 2/15?
sam 27/01/20 2:45 pm really hard to tell.. i'd like to not any
delay if i can help it. we have these
possiblities:
* about.com done (they are upto 200k now..
they owe us 450k.. and im trying to settle for
300k + get a new contract)
* infosapce is now in the due diligence phase
* meeting with reznor, etc. (geocities
founders).. for possible funding
* other a/r.. although gotta pay webmasters
first
bryant 27/01/20 2:46 pm We'll all play it by ear and see what happens.
We survived the last delay, if it happens
again I'm sure everyone can pull it out again.
sam 27/01/20 2:47 pm yeah .. i just want to renegotiate so we dont
have a snowball effect.. in terms of a/p
building up.. thats the important thing
bryant 27/01/20 2:47 pm Oh yeah, if anything is a knockout punch its
multiplied a/p's.
sam 27/01/20 2:48 pm yeah thats why this is like really important
stuff :)
sam 27/01/20 2:48 pm so our in-house bulldog is taking the lead on
this then .. you :)
sam 27/01/20 2:49 pm got any idea on how you're going to re-work
SA?
bryant 27/01/20 2:49 pm No, going to think about it a bit.
bryant 27/01/20 2:49 pm With all of this I don't have to wait for the
cmpU stuff at least. Should be able to
contact a lot of these people this weekend.
sam 27/01/20 2:50 pm i can get u the cpmU stuff tonight.. i havent
looked at the ohtop stuff.. that should be
easy to evaluate
sam 27/01/20 2:50 pm btw, sites like indianmasala (i jsut went
there) .. has their own serach engine im sure
they're making $ from
bryant 27/01/20 2:51 pm No rush. I suspec tthat will be the least
taken option.
sam 27/01/20 2:51 pm basically use audit/violation as an excuse too
bryant 27/01/20 2:51 pm Going to pull Brian in on some of these. Any
issue?
sam 27/01/20 2:51 pm when it comes to them taking the stite back,
dont promise they can have it back.. say that
shouldnt be a problem..but u need to get it
approved, etc.
bryant 27/01/20 2:52 pm np
sam 27/01/20 2:52 pm no not at all..
sam 27/01/20 2:53 pm indianmasala also uses mailbits
sam 27/01/20 2:53 pm (for example..) t
sam 27/01/20 2:53 pm dont mess w/ subnet.. i negotiated the poor
guy down 2 times already :) his original
contract was 3 cpm
bryant 27/01/20 2:53 pm np, we'll use whatever we can to help.
sam 27/01/20 2:54 pm ill see if i can renegotiate him 1 more time..
he's actully good.. im going to give him all
the mp3 sites to run
sam 27/01/20 2:57 pm the ones that end in 2001.. im pretty positive
you can work out a lump sum arrangement .
bryant 27/01/20 2:57 pm I doubt there's a question. For them it's a
matter of "here's X guaranteed and in short
order, or Y maybe - maybe not over a longer
time".
bryant 27/01/20 2:58 pm Not one of them will opt to wait longer.
sam 27/01/20 2:58 pm ya i know.. u can get it for like 10-20 cents
on the dollar..
bryant 27/01/20 2:58 pm Those are going to be the cakewalks. It's the
ones that get a good amount for a much longer
period of time that will be the battle. Even
those should see the value though.
sam 27/01/20 2:59 pm yeah.. megagames would be a battle.. you can
try your hands at it if you want.. i said last
cuz i antitcipt a lbattle :)
bryant 27/01/20 3:00 pm Well, I'm going to work on the soft underbelly
first. When the easy ones are dealt with we
can afford to spend more time on the tough
outer shell.
bryant 27/01/20 3:00 pm If nothing else, MG might be a better
candidate for cpmU and thus lower payments.
sam 27/01/20 3:01 pm yeah..although megagames is a flat 30k / month
sam 27/01/20 3:01 pm and his unique are good
sam 27/01/20 3:01 pm and his traffic increases
sam 27/01/20 3:01 pm and his pv/visitor ratio is good
bryant 27/01/20 3:01 pm Our ace on that one is that our association
with him also hurts us with our relationships
with game producers and PR firms.
sam 27/01/20 3:01 pm yeah thats a beter ace
bryant 27/01/20 3:01 pm Well, them maybe just reduce the 30k. Don't
know - won't worry about that one until
there's time to joust.
bryant 27/01/20 3:02 pm He's widely considered to be a pro-piracy
site. I have no stance on that myself, but
it's a tool.
sam 27/01/20 3:02 pm yeah.. when we make him gaming.efront.com,
we'll remove the crack section..and make it
hidden
sam 27/01/20 3:02 pm yeah good tool
sam 27/01/20 3:03 pm btw, just read your cpmU email
sam 27/01/20 3:03 pm only one problem i hae
sam 27/01/20 3:03 pm wanna hear it
bryant 27/01/20 3:03 pm Anyway, I'm going to run. Will track Brian
down first thing and hopefully can deal with
Jennifer Moss early. We'll see how many of
the 'easy' ones we can crack down on tomorrow
and Sunday. I'll very likely need some
contracts here and there I don't have. Will
someone be around?
bryant 27/01/20 3:03 pm Absolutely.
bryant 27/01/20 3:03 pm Shoot.
sam 27/01/20 3:05 pm we're trying to tie it back to the cpm.. which
means banner, etc.
ideally, it'd be nice to know how much we can
really make $ per daily visitor.. then use
that data to figure out what the "cpm" model
might be.. then try to think what a reasonable
salary would be if they have high traffic..
then give them something in the neighborhood
of a decent salary using the cpmU model @ the
same time, making sure that their cost vs.
overall $ per daily visitor is just 20% so
gives us a 80% slush factor
bottom line, we need to have an idea on how
much $ per visitor we can make :)
sam 27/01/20 3:06 pm its a good start..but @ some point, we'd need
to take that into consideration.. for
incremental visitors added to the network (we
cant add unlimited either..)
bryant 27/01/20 3:07 pm Certainly.
sam 27/01/20 3:07 pm ill try to give u an idea of how much $ /
visitor we can make using the short track
history we have with the d.m. and other
programs
sam 27/01/20 3:08 pm okay.. talk to u later.. good night..thanks:)
bryant 27/01/20 3:08 pm It will be tough to define a baseline for our
profit margin per user with the rollercoaster
that is the industry. But we can look at the
lows and average it out.
bryant 27/01/20 3:08 pm OK, cya.
sam 27/01/20 3:09 pm thats why the lump sum cash 3 month thing is
the best deal ever i think .. the 33 months is
ours to monetize :) okay cha
sam 27/01/20 3:09 pm okay cya
sam 30/01/20 12:38 pm any luck on reneogitations??
sam 30/01/20 12:38 pm progress? update? even one renegotiated
successfully?
bryant 30/01/20 12:40 pm PA is done, Jerry will have the info from them
tonight. EMUX is the first straight target
because of the $100k clause on their contract
which comes up in a month. Just got the
contract on them this afternoon from Kevin, so
we should be calling them tomorrow. iSwoosh
and BabyNames have been impossible to reach so
far, but we're still trying.
sam 30/01/20 12:41 pm how bout the rest?
bryant 30/01/20 12:41 pm Emux is taking the lead since that's the most
urgent.
bryant 30/01/20 12:47 pm Have to get a resolution on that asap. There
are a few other fairly urgent ones we're going
to tackle after that. Brian and I are going
to collaberate on the emux family, then I
expect we'll start splitting up sites from
there. Obviously BN, iS and PA have fit in
where and as possible.
sam 30/01/20 12:47 pm any thought on plan of attack?
i duno.. we are dead dead dead in the water if
we dont reduce our payable.. so they're all
urgent
sam 30/01/20 12:48 pm emux is one contract @ 100k..and even if we
owe them, we cant pay them..even if they take
their site back (eventually we will) .. but
the rest of them we probably want to keep on
an ongoing basis so..
bryant 30/01/20 12:50 pm ok. Might be best if you, Jerry and I (Brian
too maybe) conf on all of this. I think I'm
getting different concepts of where our
priorities are. Want to make sure we're
getting done what's most important.
bryant 30/01/20 12:53 pm That'll actually be good - can find out which
sites you two think are most expendable.
Helps to know whose ass we can just kick and
whose we're best not to. =)
sam 31/01/20 1:47 pm how did the call w/ jennifer go
bryant 31/01/20 1:48 pm She had to run while I was still on with Jerry
and the EFG group. She's making herself
available first thing tomorrow.
sam 31/01/20 1:49 pm okay just checking :) any luck with the
others? i think that we'll see how the results
go.. then within 24 to 48 hours, have myself +
you + scott p. here + maybe brian even work on
this in a swat team manner and focus on just
this either thursday or friday or
fri,sat,sun,mon
bryant 31/01/20 1:50 pm Also, Rich at SA has cooled off a lot. Seems
he just let the stress get to him. I think we
still let him chill a bit and then approach
him later if need be. In the meantime if tech
can make his stable, we can get him to 100%
compliance which will help.
sam 31/01/20 1:51 pm yeah lot of the webmasters.. if they dont
cooperate, i prefer not to threaten them.. but
re-vistit later
to be honest w/ you, ive not had one problem
with anyone.. i always worked things out..
just drag it out and they come to their sense
bryant 31/01/20 1:51 pm Agree there. It's just a tough time, some
people just need to vent.
bryant 31/01/20 1:52 pm Pill popping time. I'll drop you a line
tomorrow afternoon with some sort of status
update on where we are with the key sites.
bryant 31/01/20 1:52 pm mame, asta, megagames, babynames, freevote,
etc. etc.
sam 31/01/20 1:53 pm http://www.pdquick.com/checkout/OurAffiliates.
sp?AC=12
just ordered food.. babynames.com is listed
there!
sam 01/02/20 12:00 pm update on renegotiations?
bryant 01/02/20 12:10 pm We've been in touch with iswoosh, babynames,
megagames, indianmasala and mame.dk today. IS
is basically taken care of, he's actually open
to a whole new contract if he stays. Jenn
(BN) just needs to talk with her partners but
seems open to change. MG and IM were just
initial contact. MDK cares most about equity
incentives on future growth. His traffic
seems completely legit, so we'll do that and
use it to cap the $ and deal with compliance.
sam 01/02/20 12:11 pm who is IS
bryant 01/02/20 12:11 pm Trying to track down hebus.com, xaviersite.com
and astalavista.com as well. Sub-net is on
the short list, but noone seems to know where
that contract is.
bryant 01/02/20 12:11 pm ISwoosh.
sam 01/02/20 12:13 pm ok.. even taking notes and feeling them out is
a great start :)
bryant 01/02/20 12:13 pm Yep. We're well into Babynames, mame.dk and
iswoosh. Don't have a read on the others yet.
So far I think people are being positive
about helping take steps to solidify the
security.
sam 01/02/20 12:15 pm okay.. dont make any offers.. but get them
moving towards the gaosl.. just get a feel for
things.. and go through as many sites as you
can
bryant 01/02/20 12:17 pm Don't make offers?
sam 01/02/20 12:17 pm http://yahoofin.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-46710
8.html?tag=pt.yahoofin.financefeed..ne
sam 01/02/20 12:20 pm well sure make offers.. if you know what kind
of offers to make?
sam 01/02/20 12:20 pm if you give me an example of an offer or two
you'd like to make, i an take a quick look at
it and amke sure we're on the right track
bryant 01/02/20 12:21 pm I know what the elements are we can't have on
the contracts. I think I know which sites are
ones we should really try and keep and which
ones would be less of a loss. Familiar with
what CPMs are appropriate.
If there are issues beyond that though, then
perhaps I'm not familiar enough with our
goals. Clearly some of these cases are going
to require decisions on either your part or
Jerry's or both regardless.
sam 01/02/20 12:21 pm my main concern is cashflow
bryant 01/02/20 12:21 pm Understand that completely.
sam 01/02/20 12:22 pm as low as possible..even being creative in how
to achieve that
sam 01/02/20 12:22 pm so i just wanted to get an idea on some of the
offers
bryant 01/02/20 12:23 pm I'll shoot you any we come up with tomorrow
based on the follow-up convos we have.
sam 01/02/20 12:23 pm okay great
sam 01/02/20 12:23 pm is brian involved in the process as well
bryant 01/02/20 12:24 pm Yes. I pulled him in on iswoosh since he's so
familiar with newsletter issues. And I'm
having him start the ball rolling with
indianmasala since he closed the deal. Jon is
involved with babynames with me since he has a
rapport with Jenn. Using people where/when it
will smooth the process.
sam 01/02/20 12:25 pm k
sam 01/02/20 12:25 pm any lump sum deal possibilties? :) (besides
mpog:)
bryant 01/02/20 12:26 pm All of these deals besides iswoosh are large
value and long term contracts. None of them
will really fit into that model.
bryant 01/02/20 12:26 pm We'll see a lot more opportunities on that
front when we get into the mid to small range
sites.
sam 01/02/20 12:26 pm ya i figured that
sam 01/02/20 12:27 pm esp. middle
sam 01/02/20 12:27 pm probably doenst make sense to do that with ppl
making 300/month.. we'll have to pay that to
someone else anywyas
bryant 01/02/20 12:28 pm Exactly. The ones making 2000-4000 are
probably prime.
sam 01/02/20 12:29 pm although stas was making 18k/month.. and we
got him down to 25k total..saved 150k :) tim
helped me on that :) (aah_
bryant 01/02/20 12:30 pm Big drop. Stas has been an odd one all along
with us running it.
sam 01/02/20 12:31 pm well mostly our techs dropped the ball
somewhat on it.. :/ i was just on the phone
3way w/ nate & s4r guys.. plan to have 99%
uptime within 24 hours.. actino steps, etc.
bryant 01/02/20 12:32 pm That will help a lot.
sam 01/02/20 12:33 pm never have techies project manage :)
bryant 01/02/20 12:35 pm That will help a lot.
bryant 01/02/20 12:36 pm Heh. Hmm, ICQ is being flakey.
sam 01/02/20 12:38 pm also going forward, i know what w'ere going to
do with payables no matter what
bryant 01/02/20 12:38 pm What's that?
sam 01/02/20 12:38 pm we'll always pay everyone something, no matter
how small.. so that way it keeps them going
sam 01/02/20 12:40 pm and less complains.. and the news is alrady
out
sam 01/02/20 12:41 pm as we have the $.. so we dont have a major
crises again..but more of a one on one
situation..as the cash warrants.. easier to
manage.. and no image to protect now :)
sam 02/02/20 12:50 pm update?
sam 02/02/20 12:50 pm any offers for me to look at?
bryant 02/02/20 1:11 pm mame.dk is willing to come down from what we
surrently owe them per month which is 31.5k
down to 23.5k and both lower and cap any
further scales.
sam 02/02/20 1:11 pm 23k??????
sam 02/02/20 1:11 pm we've never paid them that
sam 02/02/20 1:11 pm they are on crack
sam 02/02/20 1:11 pm they are earning ZERO right now
bryant 02/02/20 1:11 pm According to their contract we currently owe
them 31.5k a month.
sam 02/02/20 1:11 pm no webguide.. and we told everyone we're
counting webguide impressions as of december
15
sam 02/02/20 1:11 pm how do you calculate?
bryant 02/02/20 1:12 pm 26MM PVs.
sam 02/02/20 1:12 pm nope
bryant 02/02/20 1:12 pm ?
sam 02/02/20 1:12 pm we told everyone we count by webguide
pageviews
sam 02/02/20 1:12 pm their webguide pageviews = ZERO
bryant 02/02/20 1:12 pm They have no issue putting the webguide up and
being compliant in the future.
sam 02/02/20 1:12 pm well they havent made anything in january
sam 02/02/20 1:12 pm we told everyone on december 15th
bryant 02/02/20 1:13 pm We don't host them btw, I presume you know
that. They cover their own hosting at
60Mbit/sec.
sam 02/02/20 1:13 pm thats their problem really.. its all illegal
roms anyways
bryant 02/02/20 1:13 pm Agree.
bryant 02/02/20 1:14 pm SA is also willing to come down on his pay
level. But he too wants a firm plan on how
payments are going to come.
sam 02/02/20 1:15 pm btw, do you know we're using the webguide
impressoins? the stuff they see on
efrontsupport is only their banner impressions
bryant 02/02/20 1:15 pm I know we told people that.
sam 02/02/20 1:15 pm we'll give everyone a report soon on what
their webguide counts were
sam 02/02/20 1:15 pm for january
sam 02/02/20 1:16 pm also mame has not put srunner or anything
sam 02/02/20 1:16 pm lets work on an offer sheet for them and you
can present it
sam 02/02/20 1:16 pm anyone else?
bryant 02/02/20 1:17 pm BabyNames folks are still talking. iSwoosh is
fine with $2800 but is also concerned about
back pay.
sam 02/02/20 1:17 pm iswoosh.. whats the issue, what are we
offering, etc?
bryant 02/02/20 1:17 pm Don't know where Brian is with IndianMasala,
was going to follow up with him tomorrow.
bryant 02/02/20 1:18 pm He felt we owed about $4k for his mailing
lists, we say $2800. He's agreed to take
$2800 and go, but he also wants to talk about
his back pay.
sam 02/02/20 1:19 pm does he want the sites back?
bryant 02/02/20 1:19 pm He's willing to either leave, or stick around
under a new contract. If he sticks around, he
wants the mailing list back.
sam 02/02/20 1:19 pm did you tell him chapter 11 or anything
sam 02/02/20 1:19 pm my goal is to get him outta here, no backpay..
take the site back and call it even
sam 02/02/20 1:20 pm is that doable under any scenario you can
think of?
sam 02/02/20 1:20 pm any angle :)
bryant 02/02/20 1:20 pm That's what we'll tell him we're willing to
do. I suspect he'll take it.
bryant 02/02/20 1:20 pm Witht he $2800 that is.
sam 02/02/20 1:20 pm okay.. next?
sam 02/02/20 1:20 pm btw, im trying to pull up mame stats
sam 02/02/20 1:21 pm you're saying he has 26 mil pageviews/month
now??