sam        04/03/20 2:02 am  of the top sites:
                                   megagames  ok
                                   mame  pending
                                   freevote ok
                                   aracdeathome ok
                                   indiamasala gone
                                   somethingaw ok
                                   babynames limbo
                                   teenstation gone
                                   beautifulwallpapers limbo [this guy has like
                                   10 sites and he uses our sites to direct
                                   traffic to his other sites..gabor timis.. we
                                   gotta stop this.. maybe have him throw all his
                                   sites together + noncompete]
                                   emux - no clue
                                   hebus ok
                                   animenetwork ok
                                   bresso - 
                                   xaviersite ok
                                   shulu -
                                   skinz - ok
                                   sub-net - will be ok
                                   demonews - ok
                                   rpgamer -?
 
 bryant     04/03/20 2:02 am  We cutting full checks for people whose
                                   contract are up and are leaving?  Wavplace for
                                   example, we have $3270 on the books for them.
 
 sam        04/03/20 2:02 am  thats not bad huh
 
 sam        04/03/20 2:02 am  no we cant
 
 sam        04/03/20 2:02 am  make it payment plan?
 
 bryant     04/03/20 2:02 am  Yep, absolutely.  Just wanted to check.
 
 sam        04/03/20 2:02 am  or if they want all of it now.. make a deal..
                                   like 50% or less even
 
 bryant     04/03/20 2:02 am  Yeah, that's not bad at all.  re: RPGamer, I
                                   just got an addendum revision back from his
                                   lawyer.  I'll send it to you.
 
 sam        04/03/20 2:03 am  or even let them continue maintaining the site
                                   for another 3 month.. and pay them 1123/month
 
 sam        04/03/20 2:13 am  forget that.. i'd rather let him walk.. 
 
 sam        04/03/20 2:13 am  what do u think
 
 bryant     04/03/20 2:13 am  Hard to say.  Decent site, but ugly changes to
                                   the addendum.
 
 bryant     04/03/20 2:19 am  I'll ID the issues for him and see what he'll
                                   do.  If he can't budge then we'll walk him I
                                   guess.
                                   
                                   So obviously theres;
                                   3a - 'ownership of the website shall remain
                                   with the developer'
                                   3c - 'accrue interest at the rate of 12%'
                                   and it needs a paragraph killing the outs he
                                   has.
 
 bryant     04/03/20 2:20 am  Anything else?
 
 sam        04/03/20 2:21 am  yeah add that paragraph killing his outs too.
                                   
                                   
 
 sam        04/03/20 2:22 am  and make it state of california
                                   
 
 sam        04/03/20 2:22 am  there's no way we're changing the jurisdiction
                                   to washington
 
 bryant     04/03/20 2:23 am  I'm tempted to further mark up the one you
                                   sent me with the out killer and killing the
                                   jurisdictional issue and send that as-is. 
                                   Present a problem?
 
 sam        04/03/20 2:23 am  no not at all.. i just makred up what i saw
                                   quickly.. keep marking it up.. and do what you
                                   need to do
 
 sam        04/03/20 2:23 am  but the out killer.. dont "highlight" that :)
 
 bryant     04/03/20 2:24 am  Oh no, just going to quietly replace it with
                                   the 2b he has.
 
 bryant     04/03/20 2:24 am  Woops, forgot to redline...
 
 bryant     04/03/20 2:27 am  Is it just the compounded monthly part you
                                   want dead, or the whole interest issue?
 
 sam        04/03/20 2:28 am  what do u think..  i was trying to do it so
                                   tthere's a balance and we dont cross
                                   everything out
 
 bryant     04/03/20 2:28 am  Yeah, I agree.
 
 sam        04/03/20 2:28 am  did astalavista sign
 
 sam        04/03/20 2:28 am  cuz they still dont have our banners back up..
                                   or maybe waiting for payments?
 
 bryant     04/03/20 2:29 am  I think they're waiting for payment.
 
 sam        04/03/20 2:29 am  ok ill ask bill
 
 bryant     04/03/20 2:48 am  Hey, I just got an ICQ from one of the
                                   Penny-Arcade guys.  I guess Jerry never signed
                                   and mailed their release.  Is that something
                                   we can get done this week?  I'm not even sure
                                   where the release is at this point.  Jerry had
                                   it last I knew, but I bet I can track down a
                                   copy in my sent folder.
 
 sam        04/03/20 2:48 am  ya send it off to me and i can probably do
                                   that
 
 bryant     04/03/20 2:51 am  Just got it off.
 
 sam        04/03/20 3:05 am  what was the last offer w/ pcmech.. do u know
 
 sam        04/03/20 3:08 am  for rpgamer, the balance we have says 10k
 
 sam        04/03/20 3:08 am  how did they get 21k
 
 sam        04/03/20 3:08 am  oh i know how.. they didnt put our webguide up
 
 sam        04/03/20 3:08 am  i dont think they'll cooperate putting new
                                   stuff up
 
 bryant     04/03/20 3:10 am  No, I needed to talk to Brian today anyway, so
                                   I'll get the pcmech offer then.  I've got to
                                   sit down with him and get caught up on
                                   everything he was working on and get all his
                                   docs.
 
 sam        04/03/20 3:24 am  do u have pcmechs' contract in front of you
 
 bryant     04/03/20 3:24 am  The original?
 
 sam        04/03/20 3:24 am  i was wondering when it started.. and if it
                                   was a 3 year dea
 
 sam        04/03/20 3:24 am  yeah
 
 bryant     04/03/20 3:24 am  Yeah
 
 sam        04/03/20 3:24 am  im writing back to pcmech.. to see if we can
                                   pull off a hebus-like math
 
 bryant     04/03/20 3:24 am  Wait no - that's PCMedia.  Don't have PCmech's
 
 sam        04/03/20 3:24 am  pcemdia is pcmech
 
 sam        04/03/20 3:24 am  same ting
 
 bryant     04/03/20 3:25 am  ok, lemme pull it up.
 
 bryant     04/03/20 3:26 am  Standard agreement.  3 year term starting
                                   6/9/2000.  No outs.
 
 bryant     04/03/20 3:28 am  RPGamer just caught the 2b change.
 
 sam        04/03/20 3:30 am  well tell him he made changes..and we made
                                   change
 
 sam        04/03/20 3:36 am  cc:d  you on the pcmech email.. tell me what u
                                   think
 
 sam        04/03/20 5:07 am  hey do you know much about john graham's
                                   skills..just going through the employee list
 
 sam        04/03/20 3:02 pm  fyi..i think marc F. is waiting for the newly
                                   revised addendum or something
                                   
 
 bryant     05/03/20 7:45 am  Seems Jarret isn't so friendly after all.
 
 sam        05/03/20 7:52 am  jarret..yeh he's a snake ..always pullsthe
                                   switcharoo on u
 
 bryant     05/03/20 7:52 am  Yann Stettler is a real problem child too.
 
 bryant     05/03/20 7:53 am  There are quite a few people trying to
                                   organize others.
 
 sam        05/03/20 7:53 am  stettler's contract expired i think
 
 sam        05/03/20 7:53 am  who's trying to organize?
 
 bryant     05/03/20 7:53 am  Yann at least is conservative.  He just wants
                                   to get people together to come to us and
                                   demand more communication.  Jarret is trying
                                   to rabblerouse for the sake fo doing damage.
 
 bryant     05/03/20 7:53 am  I'll gather some names.
                                   
 
 bryant     05/03/20 7:53 am  Jarret for sure.  I sent you his post.
 
 sam        05/03/20 7:54 am  we shouldkill his account access immediately.
 
 bryant     05/03/20 7:55 am  These people have such a deranged concept of
                                   how the law works it scares me.  What's worse
                                   is they declare these concepts as fact and
                                   other people eat it up.  It's genuinely
                                   frightening.  Never seen so much stupidity. 
                                   It's really like watching a herd of angry
                                   sheep.  None of them know exactly why they're
                                   so worked up and none of them will stand out
                                   alone - but they're mad anyway.
 
 bryant     05/03/20 7:57 am  Scott Bedard is calling for an organized
                                   effort but doesn't want to be leader, Jarret
                                   is openly saying he's ready to lead a "union"
                                   against us, "Dietrich" is suggesting they all
                                   pull banners at the same time and put
                                   disparaging comments up about us to force us
                                   into bankruptcy and embarass us.
 
 bryant     05/03/20 7:59 am  Actually, "Dietrich" says he doesn't support
                                   that - but he's still suggesting it.
 
 bryant     05/03/20 8:01 am  "J.B." from Emuplayer is supporting Yann on
                                   more constructive approaches.  He feels (as do
                                   some others) that eF succeeding is them
                                   succeeding.  Healthy attitude.
 
 sam        05/03/20 8:05 am  we should stop killing their account access
                                   for violating the nondisclosure what do u
                                   think
 
 sam        05/03/20 8:06 am  and tell them individually we have a record of
                                   everyone who's violating it
 
 bryant     05/03/20 8:06 am  At some point we do need to start identifying
                                   problem children and separating them from the
                                   flock.  Don't mean kicking them out per se,
                                   but make ourselves clear nonetheless.
 
 sam        05/03/20 8:06 am  we should probably do that sooner rather than
                                   latter 
 
 bryant     05/03/20 8:06 am  The more I read from Yann, the more
                                   conservative I find him.  I don't think he's
                                   one of the problem people at all.
 
 sam        05/03/20 8:07 am  do we even have a problem with him? his
                                   contract expired.. just work out where he
                                   works for 4-5 months and we pay his backpay
                                   off?
 
 bryant     05/03/20 8:07 am  I doubt it.  He's just talking about wanting
                                   better communication.  He doesn't seem bitter
                                   at all.
 
 sam        05/03/20 8:08 am  marc said 5-6 are ready to sign..he just needs
                                   the addendum
 
 bryant     05/03/20 8:08 am  Yeah, sent them once but the emails bounced. 
                                   Servers been flakey recently.  I'll send them
                                   again tonight.
 
 bryant     05/03/20 8:09 am  I get a lot of ppl telling me stuff to me
                                   bounces periodically as well.  Not sure what's
                                   up.
 
 sam        05/03/20 8:09 am  should i tell scott we're going to terminate
                                   his access or should you
 
 bryant     05/03/20 8:09 am  Bedard?
 
 sam        05/03/20 8:09 am  or what do u suggest
 
 sam        05/03/20 8:09 am  yeah
 
 sam        05/03/20 8:10 am  and the addendums does have it so that they
                                   say they are signing this voluntarily, etc. so
                                   they cant get us for duress because of that
 
 bryant     05/03/20 8:10 am  Lemme talk to him some more and see what he
                                   has to say.  The thing about these folks is
                                   they're friendly in direct convos, but them
                                   turn around and cause problems.  A little
                                   annoying.
 
 sam        05/03/20 8:12 am  scott/gr took our banners off already
                                   
                                   basically, we have to tell him.. yes we're
                                   late in payments to buy the assets..which
                                   means we're in default and we have to work out
                                   a settlement.  yet, you are violating the
                                   nondisclosure clause, which we take seriously
                                   and at this point, we have no choice but to
                                   terminate your access and possibly bringing
                                   the site down until the issue is resolved
 
 sam        05/03/20 8:20 am  anyone else close to signing the contracts
                                   soon?
 
 sam        05/03/20 8:26 am  we're very close to terminating your service
                                   agreement due
                                    to not servicing the site appropriate,
                                   ignoring
                                    the non-competes, and causing irreparable
                                   harm 
                                   by ignoring the non-disclosure..
                                   
                                   i'm about to send that to scott
 
 sam        05/03/20 9:56 am  i think i have an idea for the whining
                                   webmasters.. 
 
 sam        05/03/20 10:01 am i think i reached a deal with indianmasala
 
 sam        05/03/20 10:15 am marc is msging me he didnt get the addendum..
                                   should i send it to him since your email is
                                   aving problems?  do you have a latest
                                   addendum.. or should i send him what i have
 
 sam        05/03/20 10:15 am Marc: he might be sending it to
                                   marc@efront.com which is not my addy
                                   
 
 sam        05/03/20 10:15 am marcd@efront.com
                                   
                                   is the right addresss
 
 sam        05/03/20 10:48 am any luck on Johan?
 
 sam        05/03/20 11:16 am maybe you can give me an update on which
                                   webmaster you're having trouble with on
                                   terms.. and i can step in and help.. i got
                                   indianmasala.com almost worked out
 
 sam        05/03/20 11:50 am i think it would be best if you let jarret
                                   walk
 
 sam        05/03/20 11:50 am we have too much celebrity traffic as it is
 
 sam        05/03/20 11:50 am his traffic has little value to us
 
 bryant     05/03/20 11:59 am Well, walk or no.  He seems to have people
                                   gathering around him.  Scott Bedard has told
                                   people you're on him about breach of
                                   contract/disclosure btw.
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:01 pm You really need to read this latest post.  Did
                                   you get the others I sent you?
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:01 pm yes i did
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:02 pm I'll forward this one then.  It's a real
                                   problem.  Jarret's up on a soapbox and people
                                   are following him.  Something is going to have
                                   to be done.
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:03 pm im sure he's whining about us breaching
                                   contract and pointing out that he is doing
                                   that too
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:03 pm He's going to talk to dblclick to negotiate a
                                   large deal for as many webmasters as will
                                   follow.  They'll all cut all our stuff off,
                                   and as many of them that have control over
                                   their domain names are going to put in
                                   redirects.
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:03 pm haha.. good luck :)
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:03 pm i wish it was that easy
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:03 pm I think he's actually breaking the law right
                                   now.
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:04 pm Not sure though.
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:04 pm well, what do you recommend for all this?
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:04 pm Directly interfering with our capacity to
                                   conduct business.
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:04 pm Do we have access to a lawyer?
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:04 pm yes we do
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:04 pm we can havre a conf. call w/ you tuesday @
                                   930am
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:04 pm hows that
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:04 pm or too late?
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:04 pm I think that's a good idea.
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:05 pm Hmm, he has an addendum.
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:05 pm Hasn't faxed though.
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:05 pm who does
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:05 pm Jarret
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:05 pm Just looking at his status.
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:06 pm does he say he doesnt?
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:06 pm oh ok
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:06 pm He under 18?
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:06 pm yes he was
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:06 pm Know if he still is?
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:06 pm i think he might still be
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:06 pm That would help us I think.
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:06 pm Makes his parents liable for his actions.
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:07 pm Good way to put the fear of death in him.  If
                                   we can talk to the lawyer tomorrow that's even
                                   better.  He has people who have been more than
                                   happy to work with me getting behind him.
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:07 pm I wouldn't say anything to him for the time
                                   being.
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:08 pm Going to be interesting to see how people I
                                   talk to respond to me tomorrow.
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:10 pm oh i see jarret's post.. yeah
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:10 pm im not worried bout the boycott.. probably
                                   good
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:10 pm reduces our exposure and payment liabilities
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:11 pm and puts more pressure on them since they wont
                                   be able to cut deals w/ anyone in this market
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:11 pm bryant: Good way to put the fear of death in
                                   him.  If we can talk to the lawyer tomorrow
                                   that's even better.  He has people who have
                                   been more than happy to work with me getting
                                   behind him.
                                   
                                   
                                   [how do u mean he has poeople who have been
                                   more than happy to work..]
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:14 pm ohhh ok i see
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:15 pm maybe i can get tim eckel to post up there
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:30 pm Just meant that people I'm actively working
                                   deals with are chiming in saying they're
                                   behind him on this.  I'm just looking forward
                                   to seeing how they respond to me tomorrow.  I
                                   don't intend to let them know I'm watching.
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:30 pm Actually, there are already voices of reason. 
                                   Skyler for example.  
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:33 pm i have indianmasala almost wrapped up
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:33 pm i'd like to get freevote.com signed up asap
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:33 pm i hope nate is transferring that server
 
 bryant     05/03/20 12:35 pm He just wants to be free of the site, so I
                                   don't think he's going to be a real problem -
                                   unless of course people get him all worked up.
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:36 pm i just send nate a msg on the status of the
                                   move.  anyway you can draft the release/waiver
                                   and we can get it out to fv.com and part of
                                   that would say immediately, we're taking over
                                   all bills, etc
                                   
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:36 pm i already got someone to run the site/ answer
                                   abuse, etc, @ 200/month
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:37 pm whatever happened w/ classical.net
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:38 pm looks like he took all the banners off
 
 sam        05/03/20 12:51 pm i like the doubleclick approach jarret is
                                   taking..
                                   
                                   at least he's not talking legal action.. and
                                   he'll soon see that dblclick or anyone else
                                   wont accept new business
                                   
                                   doubleclick actually sent us a 90 day
                                   termination notice on the old contract a few
                                   weeks ago.. we'll be able to re-up though..
                                   probalby on terms favorable to them
 
 sam        05/03/20 1:26 pm  oh ya.. any word on the addendum? do u know if
                                   u revised anything after i sent it to u.. (so
                                   i can send marc the latest one)
 
 sam        05/03/20 9:37 pm  u therE?
 
 bryant     05/03/20 11:38 pm What's up?
 
 sam        05/03/20 11:38 pm i was going to send an email to the
                                   yahoogroups
 
 sam        05/03/20 11:38 pm can you proofread it
 
 bryant     05/03/20 11:39 pm Sure.
 
 bryant     05/03/20 11:39 pm So we have someone who is English/French
                                   fluent?
 
 sam        05/03/20 11:41 pm alex.. why?
 
 bryant     05/03/20 11:45 pm Hebus is asking for a french translation of
                                   some of the paragraphs all of a sudden.
 
 sam        05/03/20 11:46 pm tell him we don't have the resources to do
                                   that?
 
 sam        05/03/20 11:46 pm alex is online if you like.. i can give you
                                   his icq
 
 bryant     05/03/20 11:46 pm ok cool
 
 sam        05/03/20 11:48 pm ok i sent you the email
 
 sam        06/03/20 12:02 am what do u think? any changes? will this help
                                   you in the negotiations? or hurt?
 
 bryant     06/03/20 12:02 am optimus-prime isn't responding to me, so I
                                   haven't been able to pull it down yet.
 
 bryant     06/03/20 12:06 am Yeah, I think that will help a lot.
 
 sam        06/03/20 12:06 am no changes needed?
 
 bryant     06/03/20 12:06 am I don't think so.
 
 sam        06/03/20 12:18 am yahoo gruops bounced the email back
 
 sam        06/03/20 12:19 am should i sent it to everyone through bcc or
                                   ask skyler to distribute it?
 
 bryant     06/03/20 12:19 am Maybe BCC then.
 
 sam        06/03/20 12:20 am i was thinking if we put it on yahoogroups..
                                   people have to respond to that directly..
                                   instead of thinking we're not there and
                                   attacking in open forum
 
 sam        06/03/20 12:20 am did you notice that noone replied to joann'as
                                   newsletter
 
 bryant     06/03/20 12:20 am Yep.
 
 bryant     06/03/20 12:21 am That's true.
 
 sam        06/03/20 12:21 am so what do u think.. bcc or send to skyler to
                                   post?
 
 sam        06/03/20 12:21 am ill just send to skyler :)
 
 bryant     06/03/20 12:21 am I think either way, but I think you're right
                                   about making it completely obvious we're on
                                   the forums is probably a good thing.
 
 bryant     06/03/20 12:21 am Yeah.
 
 bryant     06/03/20 12:52 am Looks like Hebus is not going to sign.
 
 bryant     06/03/20 12:53 am Looks like quite a few people that were going
                                   to FAX no longer intend to.
 
 sam        06/03/20 1:10 am  because of the email we sent?
 
 bryant     06/03/20 1:10 am  No idea why.
 
 bryant     06/03/20 1:10 am  I can't imagine because of the email.
 
 bryant     06/03/20 1:11 am  I suppose it's probably because of convos
                                   they're having amongst themselves.
 
 sam        06/03/20 1:11 am  well what option do they have
 
 sam        06/03/20 1:12 am  i think everyone was invited to the webmaster
                                   egroup from the newsletter emails or
                                   something.. not sure
 
 bryant     06/03/20 1:12 am  Not sure.
 
 bryant     06/03/20 1:14 am  Richard Benson of Freeskills is saying in the
                                   forum that he wants to give up the $, return
                                   options, and take freeskills.com back.
 
 sam        06/03/20 1:14 am  NO WAY
 
 sam        06/03/20 1:14 am  thats not a settlement
 
 sam        06/03/20 1:15 am  his contract gives us the right to sell
                                   freeskills and we'll do that
 
 sam        06/03/20 1:15 am  oops didnt mean caps:)
 
 bryant     06/03/20 1:15 am  He's only putting that in the forum to cause
                                   problems.
 
 sam        06/03/20 1:15 am  plus we dont negotiate in a forum
 
 bryant     06/03/20 1:15 am  He already told everyone you said we could
                                   sell it.
 
 sam        06/03/20 1:15 am  sure.. 
 
 sam        06/03/20 1:16 am  i wouldnt worry about him right now
 
 sam        06/03/20 1:16 am  lets just sign up one at a time
 
 sam        06/03/20 1:16 am  so hebus is dead? do you have his icq
 
 bryant     06/03/20 1:16 am  Yep, that's how we're working.
 
 bryant     06/03/20 1:16 am  6299019
 
 sam        06/03/20 1:17 am  btw, working out a settlement doesnt mean
                                   giving the site back.. we should ask for the
                                   payments we made to them or soemthing as well 
 
 bryant     06/03/20 1:17 am  Yep, I'm not telling anyone out is an option. 
                                   I'm also not saying that it's not.
 
 bryant     06/03/20 1:18 am  I've had ppl ask for the sake of posting in
                                   the eGroup - just not answering.
 
 bryant     06/03/20 1:18 am  There's no good answer to that.
 
 sam        06/03/20 1:26 am  who is this pierre guy
 
 bryant     06/03/20 1:26 am  Not sure.
 
 sam        06/03/20 1:27 am  hebus has no issues.. we need to tweak his
                                   agreement a little
 
 sam        06/03/20 1:28 am  btw, can you check hebus's agreement.. does it
                                   have an out clause of any kind
 
 sam        06/03/20 1:30 am  also we dont have a payment problem with
                                   richard
 
 sam        06/03/20 1:30 am  from freeskills
 
 sam        06/03/20 1:30 am  we're on schedule
 
 sam        06/03/20 1:35 am  btw, do you know who posted the email to
                                   yahooegroups?
 
 sam        06/03/20 1:58 am  my email was bad i think
                                   
                                   too many choices for people now :(
 
 sam        06/03/20 2:10 am  for jarret, we need to have someone complain
                                   about his copyright pictures.. and we can then
                                   issue him a 24 hour notice to take the
                                   pictures down or we have to shut the site off
 
 
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